NYS Court Limits Definition of Single Occurrence by Enforcing Non-Cumulation Clause

In an important recent decision in the toxic tort field, a New York appellate court decided in Nesmith et al. v. Allstate Ins. Co., 103 AD3d 190 (4th Dep’t 2013) that pursuant to a non-cumulation clause, Allstate Insurance Company was responsible for only one policy limit in connection with lead paint exposure claims asserted on behalf of multiple children who resided in the same apartment during separate tenancies nearly a year apart and during different policy periods.

Allstate insured the apartment building owner, Tony Clyde Wilson, from 1991 through 1994 under three consecutive one year insurance policies, each with a $500,000 per occurrence coverage limit.  During the second policy in 1993, two children were exposed to lead based paint in one of the apartments within Mr. Wilson’s building.  The family vacated the premises and subsequently commenced a lawsuit on behalf of the children against Mr. Wilson.  After the first family vacated the apartment, the Nesmith family commenced its tenancy within the same apartment within the building.  The Nesmith children were also exposed to lead based paint within the same apartment during the third policy period in 1994.  The Nesmith family commenced its own lawsuit on behalf of its children against Mr. Wilson.  While the Nesmith family’s lawsuit was pending, Allstate effectuated a settlement in the amount of $350,000 in connection with the first family’s lawsuit.  Subsequent to the settlement, Allstate asserted that the “non-cumulation” and “unifying” clauses in its policy confined its liability for all lead exposures in the subject apartment to a single policy limit of $500,000.  Accordingly, Allstate took the position that there was only $150,000 of available coverage as the $500,000 per occurrence limit had been diminished by the $350,000 settlement with the first family.  Allstate and the Nesmith family reached an agreement that the Nesmith family would receive the $150,000 balance if Allstate’s non-cumulation clause was upheld, but the Nesmith family would receive $500,000 if it was determined that the Nesmith claims arose from a separate occurrence.

In reaching its decision, the appellate court initially considered the well-settled contract principle that “unambiguous provisions of an insurance contract must be given their plain and ordinary meaning, and the interpretation of such provisions is a question of law for the court”.  Nesmith at 193 citing to White v. Continental Cas. Co., 9 NY3d, 264, 267.  Accordingly, the court considered the following provision from the Allstate policy at issue:

Regardless of the number of insured persons, claims, claimants, or policies involved, our total liability under the Family Liability Protection coverage for damages resulting from one accidental loss will not exceed the limit shown on the declaration page.  All bodily injury and property damage resulting from one accidental loss or from continuous or repeated exposure to the general conditions is considered the result of one accidental loss.

The court noted that the New York Court of Appeals had previously interpreted a nearly identical Allstate policy provision in Hiraldo v. Allstate Ins. Co. (5 NY3d 508, 512).  In Hiraldo, a child was exposed to lead paint over a three year period in an apartment that was insured by three consecutive one year renewable insurance policies.  The Court of Appeals in Hiraldo concludedthat the non-cumulation clause prevented the plaintiff from recovering under each of the three consecutive insurance policies.

The appellate court in Nesmith court adopted the reasoning in Hiraldo, but the Nesmith court also took the analysis one step further to consider whether the exposure to lead based paint by children residing within the same apartment during different tenancies can be considered a single occurrence.  In other words, the Nesmith court was evaluating whether each child’s alleged injuries were “resulting from one accidental loss or from continuous or repeated exposure to the same general conditions” as described in Allstate’s non-cumulation clause.  Ultimately, the court concluded that the children were exposed to the same lead paint even though they resided in the subject apartment at different times nearly a year apart.  In reaching its conclusion, the court relied upon another toxic tort decision in Mt. McKinley Ins. Co. v. Coming, Inc., 96 AD3d, 451, 452 (1st Dep’t 2012).  In Mt. McKinley, the court determined that “any group of claims arising from exposure to an asbestos … condition at a common location, at approximately the same time may be found to have arisen from the same occurrence”.   In Nesmith, the court applied similar reasoning when stating that “In as much as the claims arise from exposure to the same condition and the claims are spatially identical and temporally close enough that there are no intervening changes in the injury-causing conditions, they must be viewed as a single occurrence within the meaning of the policy.  The Nesmith decision appears to be another in a line of decisions that limit the number of occurrences in the toxic tort arena.  See, Ramirez v. Allstate Ins. Co., 26 AD3d 266 (1st Dep’t 2006) (lead paint matter involving multiple infant-plaintiffs residing within the same apartment who may have ingested lead paint determined to be single occurrence); Appalachian Ins. Co. v. General Elec. Co., 863 N.E.2d 994 (court denied aggregation of multiple asbestos related claims in order to insurance policy per-occurrence coverage limits because incident giving rise to liability was each claimant’s repeated or continuous exposure).

Accordingly, Nesmith continues the trend in New York of enforcing insurance policy non-cumulation clauses in order to limit the definition of occurrence in toxic tort personal injury lawsuits.  It appears that the courts are inclined to unify claims that are spatially identical and temporally proximate into a single occurrence regardless of the number of different plaintiffs.

Supreme Court: No Protection for Pre-Miranda silence without Fifth Amendment Invocation

The Supreme Court has ruled in a 5-4 decision that unless a criminal suspect expressly invokes the Fifth Amendment right to remain silent during pre-Miranda questioning, the suspect’s silence may be admissible evidence at trial. The majority of the court agreed that the privilege is not “self-executing,” and that those defendants who desire its protections “must claim it.”

Before Genoveno Salinas’ trial and conviction for a double murder committed in Houston, Texas in 1992, police had visited the house of Salinas’, the prime suspect in the case, and seized a shotgun that was believed to be the weapon used in the crime. Police subsequently questioned Salinas’ in the police station, but neither arrested him nor read him his Miranda rights before the interrogation began. Both Salinas and the prosecution agreed that the questioning was voluntary, and that Salinas was free to leave at any time.

However, Salinas was eventually asked a question for which he chose not to respond. The officer asked whether a ballistics report from the shotgun shells found at homicide would match the results for the shotgun taken from Salinas’ house – and to this question he fell silent, without expressly invoking his Fifth Amendment Right. The prosecution later used this silence as a means to establish an inference of guilt, while the defendant argued that using his silence as evidence against him was a violation of his constitutional rights.

While the Court’s five conservative-leaning Justices joined in the decision to allow the silence to be used as evidence, Justice Thomas’ concurring opinion went one step further. He argued that even if Salinas’ had expressly invoked his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent, his non-responsiveness to the officer’s question would still have been admissible nonetheless. This rationale was based on an originalist interpretation of the Constitution, under the theory that admission of this evidence would still not have compelled the defendant to act as a witness against himself. This narrow interpretation of the protections afforded by the Fifth Amendment was also supported by Justice Scalia.

The dissenting opinion, written by Justice Breyer, rejects both approaches taken by the majority, arguing instead that the privilege does not need to be directly related to “testimony,” but rather applies in any situation where a defendant is attempting to avoid divulging incriminating information about oneself. However, the majority of the Court agreed with the Texas Supreme Court, and upheld the lower court’s decision to admit the silence as evidence of Salinas’ guilt.

Although the scope of this decision is limited to the field of criminal law, the effect that it will have on cases of defendants pleading the Fifth Amendment in non-criminal proceedings has yet to be seen. If the same principles of law are someday applied to other forums of legal disputes, such as administrative proceedings, lawyers and their clients may soon find themselves re-evaluating the process by which they can claim the Fifth Amendment and still be afforded the protections that they have come to expect from it.

Pastore & Dailey Represent Joint Lead Arranger in $110 Million Lending Transaction

Pastore & Dailey successfully represented Stamford, Connecticut based client Bank Street Group LLC in its role as joint lead arranger for a $135 million senior secured financing closed by Alpheus Communications, LLC on Friday May 31, 2013.  The financing comprised a $110 million term loan, $15 million delayed draw term loan and $10 million revolving credit facility.  The financing solution also affords up to an additional $40 million in an accordion feature under certain conditions.  The financing allows Alpheus to refinance its existing debt and creates a solid foundation for future growth.  Alpheus is a leading provider of metro and regional fiber networking and data center solutions serving carrier and enterprise customers in Texas.

 

Pastore & Dailey Wins Motion to Dismiss for National Financial Services Client

Recently a Memorandum of Decision was issued granting a Motion to Dismiss in an action involving one of Pastore & Dailey’s financial services clients.  Below is a summary of the well written decision by Judge Spatt.

The plaintiff alleged claims under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (“FDCPA”) and the New York General Business Law § 349, as well as common law causes of action.  On behalf of the defendant, a major national credit provider, we filed a Motion to Dismiss pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(b)(6) for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted, which was granted by the court.

The District Court first addressed whether the defendant qualified as a debt collector under the FDCPA, and found that it did not.  The FDCPA prohibits deceptive and misleading practice by “debt collectors” and defines debt collectors as those engaged in “any business the principal purpose of which is the collection of any debts.”  Creditors, however, are defined as “any person who offers or extends credit creating a debt or to whim a debt is owed.”  The defendant is a creditor under the statute and the FDCPA limits its application to debt collectors.

The distinction between debt collectors and creditors under the FDCPA has one exception however; it is referred to as the “false name” exception.  The false name exception is when a creditor attempts to collect its own debt by using “any name other than his own which would indicate that a third person is collecting or attempting to collect such debts.”  15 U.S.C. § 1692a(6).  This would mean a creditor could be liable under the FDCPA if they were to use a pseudonym or alias in attempting to collect their debts.

The plaintiff attempted to assert that the defendant’s conduct fell under the false name exception because under the facts proffered by the plaintiff, the defendant allegedly held themselves out to be someone else in communicating with a third party.  The court rejected this theory of liability.

The false name standard has been found to be whether “the least sophisticated consumer would have the false impression that a third party was attempted collect the debt.”  Maguire v. Citicorp Retail Services, 147 F.3d 232, 236 (2d Cir. 1998).  It was apparent that the defendant never utilized a false name in communicating with the consumer plaintiff, and under the Maguire standard, a court must look to the communications with the debtor to determine whether the false name exception applies. Defendant’s communications with the debtor were not misleading or under a false name.

Thus, the Court concluded that Defendant was not a debt collector under the FDCPA, despite the false name exception, and accordingly granted our Motion to Dismiss the FDCPA causes of action.

After granting our Motion on the above grounds, The District Court also considered the additional reasons asserted for why the Plaintiff’s claims failed.  Even if our client was considered a debt collector, Plaintiff’s claims under Section 1692e of the FDCPA failed because the communications from Defendant’s offices were nothing more than attempts to learn the correct contact information for Plaintiff’s attorney, rather than any false representations or deceptive attempts to collect a debt.  The District Court found our position meritorious as to Plaintiff’s claims under Sections 1692e(9) and(10), stating that even if the defendant were a debt collector, those claims would be dismissed for failure to state a claim.  The Court found that “once again the Plaintiff has failed to provide any authority for the theory that a debt collector can be liable for communications made to a party that is not the debtor, even though tangentially related to the collection of the debt.” (Memorandum of Decision, p. 13).

The District Court declined to address any of the state or common law causes of action.

DECD Small Business Express Program Financing Transaction

In April 2013, Pastore & Dailey’s transactional team successfully concluded a combination grant and loan financing transaction on behalf of a New Haven based manufacturer serving the aerospace industry.  The transaction was completed in connection with the recently established State of Connecticut Department of Economic and Community Development (DECD) Small Business Express Program which seeks to provide the maximum return on investments to state taxpayers in the form of job creation and capital investment.  The DECD funding will play a key role in the expansion and modernization of our client’s manufacturing facility located in New Haven, Connecticut as well as the creation of a number of new full-time jobs in Connecticut.

Michele F. Martin to Join P&D

MICHELE MARTIN TO JOIN PASTORE & DAILEY LLC AND OPEN GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA OFFICE

STAMFORD, Conn., Apr. 30, 2013 Michele Martin, former Counsel at Smith, Gambrell & Russell, LLP announced that she would join Pastore & Dailey LLC, a law firm with offices in Stamford, and Glastonbury, Connecticut and New York City. She will lead the firm’s Florida office 8763 SW 27th Lane, Gainesville, Florida.

Ms. Martin will practice in all areas of consumer litigation defense.  She joins partners Joseph M. Pastore III, William M. Dailey and Paul Dehmel as well as attorneys Leanne M. Shofi, Susan Bysiewicz, Michael Zamat, Dennis Bishop, Jennifer Shufro, Sam Ottensoser, Stephen A. DeBernardis and law clerk Katherine Leisch.

Ms. Martin concentrates her practice in all aspects of consumer litigation defense. She has extensive experience in representing defendants throughout the country both in individual and class actions cases. Such cases have involved alleged violations of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA), the Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA) and the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA) and similar state law claims as well as claims alleging deceptive trade practices and invasion of privacy. Ms. Martin also counsels clients to ensure compliance with debt collection laws including the drafting and maintenance of compliance plans.

Ms. Martin also works with employers in matters involving employment-discrimination litigation and general labor and employment law advice. She has successfully resolved employment discrimination cases, including collective actions under the Fair Labor Standards Act and claims concerning disability accommodation, age discrimination, sex discrimination, race discrimination and FMLA. She has successfully filed and argued motions for summary judgment for employers in state and federal courts around the country.

In addition, Ms. Martin has counseled and litigated matters pursuant to the Florida Condominium Act and the Florida Homeowners’ Association Act. Ms. Martin has represented condominium associations, homeowners’ associations as well as developers.

Ms. Martin received her J.D. from the University of Florida in 1999. She received her Master’s and Bachelor’s degrees in Accounting from the University of Florida in 1999 and 1996, respectively. Ms. Martin is a board qualified C.P.A and a member of The Florida Bar. Ms. Martin is admitted to practice in the Southern, Middle and Northern Districts in Florida.

Ms. Martin’s list of civic participation includes serving as a volunteer attorney for Jacksonville Legal Aid, serving on the Fourth judicial Circuit’s Pro Bono Committee, serving as a board director for Jacksonville’s Youth Crisis Center and serving as a member of the Florida Planned Development Rules Writing Committee. Ms. Martin is also a member of the Association of Credit and Collection Professionals.

About Pastore & Dailey LLC: The attorneys at Pastore & Dailey LLC have extensive experience representing clients in connection with litigation and regulatory matters involving FINRA and the Securities and Exchange Commission, among other regulatory bodies.  The firm’s attorneys have represented local, national and international clients in litigation, administrative proceedings and corporate matters. The firm practices out of 4 offices nationally. To learn more, visit www.psdlaw.net.

 

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Susan Bysiewicz Joins P&D

Susan Bysiewicz to Join Pastore & Dailey LLC and Open Hartford Area Office

HARTFORD, Conn., Mon. January 14 –Susan Bysiewicz, former Secretary of the State of Connecticut, announced that she would join the newly founded Pastore & Dailey LLC, a law firm with offices in Stamford and New York City. She will lead the firm’s Hartford area office at 180 Glastonbury Boulevard in Glastonbury. Ms. Bysiewicz, a corporate lawyer, joins partners Joseph M. Pastore III, Leanne M. Shofi  and William M. Dailey as well as attorneys Paul Dehmel, Michael Zamat, Dennis Bishop, Jennifer Shufro, Ryan McLeod, Sam Ottensoser and law clerks Katherine Leish and James Healy.

Ms. Bysiewicz will practice in the areas of corporate law and finance, banking, securities, and contract negotiation. Ms. Bysiewicz served for twelve years as Secretary of the State, and Chief Business Registrar, registering Connecticut’s more than 300,000 corporations. Prior to her public service, Ms. Bysiewicz practiced corporate law at White and Case in New York City, Robinson and Cole in Hartford, and the Aetna Life Insurance Company.

Prior to serving as Connecticut’s 72nd Secretary of the State from 1999-2011, Ms. Bysiewicz served as a State Representative for the 100th Assembly District, including the towns of Middletown, Durham and Middlefield. She is admitted to practice law in New York and Connecticut. She is a graduate of Yale College and Duke Law School. She lives in Middletown with her husband David and her three children.

“I am looking forward to providing business clients with creative and effective solutions to complex businesses and legal issues, and to working with a highly professional, talented and ethical team of lawyers committed to serving their clients,” Bysiewicz said.

“We are pleased to have Susan join our growing firm.  She is a talented attorney and a wonderful person.  We are also pleased to open our new office in the Hartford area, which will be our third office in the Northeast,” Joe Pastore said.

About Pastore & Dailey LLC: The attorneys at Pastore & Dailey LLC have extensive experience representing clients in connection with litigation and regulatory matters involving FINRA and the Securities and Exchange Commission, among other regulatory bodies.  The firm’s attorneys have represented local, national and international clients in litigation, administrative proceedings and corporate matters.  To learn more, Click Here

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Also mentioned in the CT Law Tribune on January 15, 2013.

 

Potential Impact of Marx v. General Revenue Corporation

Marx v. General Revenue Corporation:

The Supreme Court will hear arguments on November 7 for Marx v. General Revenue Corp. The grant of certiorari has been limited to a single question involving the right of a debt collector under federal law to recover its court costs if it wins a lawsuit against it over its collection practices.

Background:

The Plaintiff/Petitioner in the case is Olivea Marx, who defaulted on her student loan.  In September 2008 General Revenue Corp. (GRC) was hired to collect Ms. Marx’s account. Marx filed suit against GRC in October of 2008 for alleged violations of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA). The Colorado district court found no violations of FDCPA and awarded costs to GRC in the amount of $4,543. Marx appealed both the finding of no FDCPA violations as well as the award of costs to GRC. Only the issue of costs has been granted cert.

The Language at Issue:

Two statutory provisions are at the root of this case:

  •   FRCP Rule 54(d)(1) provides that “[u]nless a federal statute, these rules, or a court order provides otherwise, costs—other than attorney’s fees—should be allowed to the prevailing party.”
  •   The FDCPA provides that, “[o]n a finding by the court that an action under this section was brought in bad faith and for the purpose of harassment, the court may award to the defendant attorney’s fees reasonable in relation to the work expended and costs.” 15 U.S.C. § 1692k(a)(3).
The Arguments:

Marx contends that the above provision of the FDCPA “provides otherwise” and as such costs may not be awarded to the prevailing party in cases brought under the FDCPA. Additionally, Marx argues that the FDCPA provision should be read to mean costs may only be awarded to a prevailing creditor/defendant upon a showing that the plaintiff brought the suit in bad faith and for the purpose of harassment.

GRC disagrees with Marx’s reading of the FDCPA, and argues the statute does not “provide otherwise” from FRCP Rule 54(d). GRC’s brief lays out their argument via analysis of the plain language, straightforward statutory construction, Congressional intent, as well as the purpose and history of not only the statute but also the precise provision at issue.  Additionally GRC counters Petitioner’s argument that affirming this holding would “chill enforcement” of the FDCPA – showing that even after the Marx decision, the number of cases filed by consumers in this district has been consistent.

What’s at Stake:

There is potentially a lot on the line for debt collectors. A SCOTUS opinion reversing the lower courts, and precluding innocent collection agencies from recovering costs absent a showing of bad faith and harassment would mean a lose-lose situation for debt collectors. GRC’s brief also looks at the potential of an unfavorable outcome in the context of an already pro-plaintiff ruling in Delta Airlines Inc., v. August. A result that, as GRC puts it, would mean defendant debt collectors would face FDCPA suits “with both hands tied behind their backs.”

Delta addresses FRCP Rule 68, which states that should a defendant offer to settle and the plaintiff declines, if that plaintiff is awarded less than the offered amount s/he is liable for costs incurred after the time the offer was made. The Delta opinion limits this rule to mean that if the defendant wins outright, such as the case here, Rule 68 is not applicable. Effectively this means that should the Supreme Court rule in favor of the petitioner, innocent debt collectors who are forced to defend meritless claims in court cannot be awarded costs through either Rule 54 or 68.

Statistics show consumer cases against debt collectors have been increasing and are continuing to rise. Without the small balance of allowing innocent defendants to be awarded costs, there is nothing to stop a slew of meritless attacks on the industry. GRC even points out that this was exactly what Congress intended to prevent in enacting the FDCPA.

Best Possible Outcome:

For both debt collectors and consumers, the best possible outcome for the long term would be for the Supreme Court to affirm the 10th Circuit’s decision, and to overrule Delta.

By affirming the lower court in this case it would send a clear message to plaintiff’s attorneys that the current trend of flooding the court houses and collection agencies with these law suits, regardless of the strength of their merit is not in the best interests of their clients. Additionally innocent debt collectors would have the peace of mind knowing they don’t have to give in to a meritless claim or suffer the entire cost of going to trial. It also encourages debt collectors to abide by the FDCPA and maintain good collection practices. When as in the case at hand you are a reputable and innocent debt collector, you will not be punished for successfully defending a meritless case against you. Otherwise, if these collectors lose money even when they win the case, debt collectors are not incentivized to adhere to the law. It becomes more cost effective to operate outside of the law when it seems you will lose money either way.

Furthermore, overruling Delta would encourage more legitimate settlement offers for plaintiffs. Encouraging consumers to settle claims if possible frees up valuable time and space in our crowded court systems. In many ways it is also better for the consumers as they most likely do not wish to expend the time and effort it requires to take the case all the way through court.

Joseph M. Pastore III Named Super Lawyer, 2012

P&D Partner Named 2012 New York Super Lawyer

In September of 2012, Joseph M. Pastore III was named to the 2012 New York Super Lawyers list as one of the top attorneys in New York in the areas of Business Litigation and Securities & Corporate Finance.

Mr. Pastore focuses his practice on the financial services, insurance and reinsurance, and technology industries. He represents multinational companies before self-regulatory organizations, state boards and federal agencies. His clients include major securities industry companies and large and small hedge and venture funds.

Super Lawyers are chosen through a multi-phase selection process that includes a statewide survey of lawyers, independent research evaluation of candidates and peer reviews by practice area. The top lawyers from nearly 70 practice areas are selected for Super Lawyers. Super Lawyers lists are published nationwide and in city and regional magazines across the United States.

Connecticut Complex Litigation

On October 16, 2012, the Connecticut Superior Court denied motions to dismiss filed by separate defendants in response to an amended complaint filed by our client, a 1031 Exchange Company.  Each defendant (one a large banking institution and the other, a top nationwide law firm) filed motions seeking to have the suit dismissed on, among others, the grounds of forum non conveniens and improper venue.  The amended complaint alleged that both the bank and the law firm violated multiple laws by withholding evidence in a prior civil suit filed against our client, who assists with Section 1031 like kind exchanges.  As a result of the alleged withholding of key evidence, our client was held liable in Massachusetts state court for a substantial amount of money for improperly trading funds that were to be conservatively invested for its Section 1031 clients.  Instead of assisting our client with the conservative investment strategy, the bank in question allegedly encouraged our client to engage in risky trading of the funds.  Not only did the bank allegedly encourage the risky trading when it knew it should not have, but, their attorneys, with the bank’s aid, allegedly withheld the evidence needed to exculpate our client.  Because the evidence was allegedly withheld and some of it was allegedly destroyed, our client was held liable in Massachusetts state court for the risky trading and a judgment entered against it.  The alleged actions of our client led to criminal trials in Massachusetts and ultimately, two convictions, which have subsequently been overturned.  Had the bank not allegedly encouraged our client to make such risky trades when the bank was allegedly aware that the invested funds were to be conservatively traded and had the bank and its law firm not allegedly concealed and destroyed evidence, our client would not have been found liable to the 1031 investors for certain damages and no criminal trials would have ensued.  Thus, the amended complaint asserted twenty causes of action against the bank and the law firm, which causes of action include indemnification, contribution, unjust enrichment, intentional spoliation of evidence, breach of fiduciary duty and many others.

The case is pending on the Connecticut Superior Court’s Complex Litigation Docket.  In his opinion, Judge William Bright, when considering all of the elements needed for a forum non conveniens dismissal, noted that Connecticut would indeed be a proper forum for this action despite the years of litigation that took place in Massachusetts between the parties.  Finally, Judge Bright found defendants’ contention that venue is inappropriate unpersuasive.  Thus, after a decade of litigation in Massachusetts against the 1031 exchange, the bank and the law firm, our client now has the opportunity to litigate in Connecticut, its home state, and can take discovery of various parties that it has not been able to for the years in question.